A Risk Of 'Extermination' In Gaza: UN Rapporteur Francesca Albanese's Horrifying Warning
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Owen Jones
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🗓️ 6 November 2023
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When Francesca Albanese speaks, we need to listen. The United Nations Special Rapporteur on the occupied Palestinian territories, she is an expert international lawyer - and here she provides the detailed legal argument against Israel's massacre in Gaza.
She offers a comprehensive take down of any legal basis for the current onslaught.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, hello, hello, and I'm really delighted today to be joined by Francesca Elveniz. |
| 0:04.1 | Many of you will have seen her on the news, discussing the horrific situation now |
| 0:08.5 | in developing Gaza. She's the United Nations special reporter on the occupied Palestinian territories, |
| 0:13.8 | has been for the last 16 months, and it's now a month or so since this current horror show began |
| 0:21.0 | around approaching 10,000 Palestinians have now been killed, vastly more injured, much of the Gaza |
| 0:28.7 | strip devastated by bombs collectively, amounting to the power of one and a half times the |
| 0:35.3 | Hiroshima bomb in an area of the size of East London. Francesca, I really appreciate you joining us. |
| 0:42.8 | Firstly, can we just start with, you know, you have, as the United Nations, so much information |
| 0:50.4 | on the ground. Can you tell us what is the situation currently in Gaza? |
| 0:59.2 | Thank you very much, Owen. I've said since the very beginning and it doesn't change in terms of |
| 1:07.1 | qualification, it changed in terms of gravity and intensity. I've said that what I've seen |
| 1:11.7 | unfolding in Gaza since the very first week of, I mean, after the 7th of October, it's a catastrophe |
| 1:20.1 | of epic proportions and have qualified it. It's a humanitarian and political catastrophe, but I also |
| 1:27.2 | think it's a legal catastrophe because this is where international law is a clamorously failing |
| 1:34.2 | every, every one, both the Palestinians, but also the Israelis because both people deserve peace |
| 1:40.6 | and what's happening right now with some folding in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory. |
| 1:46.2 | And unfortunately, I'm afraid the region is absolutely not conducive to peace and stability. |
| 1:53.6 | When you say we're talking about illegal, so let's talk about that, war crimes. What are the |
| 1:58.9 | war crimes being committed? So war crimes, we often hit banded around, but that's actually a legally |
| 2:03.2 | precise term. So what do we mean by war crimes? The war crimes are violations of the laws of war. |
| 2:12.3 | So any, any violation of the Geneva Convention on, can constitute a war crime? Now, there are certain |
| 2:20.1 | war crimes that are more egregious than others and also entail individual liability. |
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