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The Daily

A Reporter’s Journey Into Gaza

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 21 November 2023

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

As the war against Hamas enters a seventh week, Israel finds itself under intense pressure to justify its actions in Gaza, including the raid of Al-Shifa Hospital, which it says is a center of Hamas activity. Hamas and hospital officials deny the accusation. Patrick Kingsley, the Jerusalem bureau chief for The Times, was one of the reporters invited by the Israeli military on an escorted trip into the enclave. Guest: Patrick Kingsley, Jerusalem bureau chief for The New York Times.

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0:00.0

From the New York Times, I'm Sabrina Tavernisi, and this is the Daily.

0:07.0

Israel's war against Hamas has caused large-scale destruction in Gaza and a death toll

0:18.0

that now stands at nearly 13,000 people according according to Gaza Health Officials.

0:24.4

Now, as the war enters its seventh week,

0:27.8

Israel finds itself under intense pressure

0:30.4

from allies and from critics to justify its strategy.

0:35.0

Today, my colleague Patrick Kingsley goes inside Gaza with the Israeli military

0:42.0

to a hospital that's at the heart of Israel's argument.

0:49.0

It's Tuesday, November 21st.

1:06.8

So Patrick, late Thursday night, you were one of five journalists who were invited by the Israeli military to go inside Gaza, to see really for the first time

1:17.0

what things looked like on the ground. So tell me how this trip came about and what your questions were going into it, what you wanted to understand. The context was that Israel had just taken control of parts or most of a hospital that has been at the center of the

1:28.8

discourse about Israel's invasion of Gaza and basically become a proxy for a wider debate about the conduct of Israel's

1:38.5

airstrikes and its invasion.

1:41.5

Right. The hospital, Al-Shifa is the largest in Gaza and Israel has since the start of its

1:48.4

invasion maintained that it conceals a secret Hamas military base and that therefore the hospital even though it is a civilian

2:00.0

institution must be captured in order to defeat Hamas and remove Hamas's

2:05.7

military capabilities. The war as we know has caused catastrophic loss of

2:12.0

civilian life.

2:13.0

Around 13,000 people, according to the Garson Health Ministry,

2:17.0

have been killed since the start of the war in Gaza.

2:20.0

Many of them are civilians, many of them children

2:23.7

and to Palestinians and to many international observers that is evidence of Israel's

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