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Tees and C's apply Samsung.com pricing shown. Hello and welcome to the Bullworks Next Level Sunday interview. I'm your host Tim Miller. I'm really, really

pleased that Clint Smith agreed to do the Sunday interview this week. He is a New Orleans,

an actual one, not a transplant like me. He is the New York

Times best-selling author of how the word is past, a reckoning with the history of

slavery across America. He's also a staff writer at the Atlantic and he wrote a

collection of poems this year called Above Ground. We talked about all of that and

get deep into discussions about race and perspective and how we talk about our

past and how we talk about our history and what that says about our present.

I didn't even get to like half the things I want to talk to him about because he's just such a thoughtful guy and did a little bit where I kind of reflected on my own evolution on this issue and just how as you know kind of a suburban white boy from Colorado maybe I had

not maybe definitely I had a lot of blind spots when it comes to race and

Clint writing and others has influenced me in that regard.

And so I was really pleased to have him on the pod.

I think you're going to enjoy it.

On the opposite side of the integrity spectrum from Clint, we had George Santos,

Kitara Ravash, as I like to call her, was forced to

sache away from Congress just a few minutes ago before we are taping this. And we haven't talked about George Santos that much on this

podcast of late you know when the first reveals reveals if you will came about his

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