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Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay

A Real Conversation With Gov. Josh Shapiro

Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay

The Ringer

Society & Culture

4.711.5K Ratings

🗓️ 14 March 2026

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Van and Rachel welcome Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro to discuss his memoir, ‘Where We Keep the Light,’ working across the aisle in the MAGA age, and community policing. Plus, addressing the rise in anti-semitism and approaching division on the Israel-Gaza conflict. (0:00) Intro (03:32) ‘Where We Keep the Light’ (08:58) Are we better than this? (16:22) Crime and policing (29:37) An NBA tangent (32:26) Relationship with Meek Mill (38:07) “Too bad a Jew can’t be president” (46:03) Israel and the war in Gaza Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Gov. Josh Shapiro Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Jade Whaley Social Producer: Bernard Moore Video Supervision: Chris Thomas Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

My kids told me I couldn't wear all black sneaks.

0:11.4

Why?

0:11.9

They were like you got to, you got to wear white.

0:15.5

Now, you're cooler than I am.

0:16.6

Nah, man, these are hokas.

0:18.9

I'm wearing these.

0:19.6

The walkers shoes is walking. I have Achilles to tonight.

0:22.1

You're like a suburban dabbing.

0:23.6

I am.

0:24.5

I have Achilles to Nineties.

0:27.0

Let's come back to sneakers and roll it.

0:30.9

Like, man, I was in the, I was in the hoka store.

0:35.0

And I'm like, yeah, I looked around and there was a twinge of hesitancy.

0:39.8

Like, are you at this point in your life? And I'm like, yeah. Clearly you are, man. I just left the podiatrist. I got some custom orthotics, the whole nine. You got through orthotics in there, too? I got orthotics in there as well. What do you put in there? Because I need to put something in my Jordan so it'll be a little more comfortable.

0:52.6

So yeah, so I went to Runner's World

0:54.6

in Brentwood and they made a custom mold orthotic for me. Oh, you're all in on yeah. Like my, I just my Achilles, they're intact, but they were bothering me. I'm old, man, I'm an older guy. I know you try to bring me in this. Still play. Still play. Still box. Still out there. Still getting buckets.

1:11.2

You know what I'm saying?

1:11.8

Still getting buckets.

1:12.4

Do you still play basketball?

1:13.5

A little bit.

1:14.6

There's some skeptic.

1:15.6

Rachel's a little skeptical.

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