Hello, friends. Welcome back to another episode of Theology. And all my guest today is a fan favorite, the one and only Dr. Sandy Richter who has a PhD from Harvard University. She is the Robert H. Gundry chair of biblical studies at Westmont College. And as you know, I ask all my guests to put in their bio into my calendar. And that's kind of what I read from at the beginning of each episode.

And Sandy put, you know, blah, blah, blah, chair of Bible Studies at Westmont College and

the best friend of Press and Sprinkle. So there we are, folks. Move over, Joey Dodson.

Here comes Sandy Richter. Sandy is the author of several books, including The Epic of Eden, which is absolutely incredible,

and an ongoing series of Bible studies, both written and video-based, called Epic of Eden Bible

study, which I would highly, highly recommend checking them out.

My wife and daughters have gone through some of those and said they're absolutely amazing.

So I would recommend checking that out. In this conversation, we talk about women in ministry, of course,

women in leadership in particular, and always love Sandy's thoughtfulness, wisdom, and grace. So

please welcome back to the show, the one and only, Dr. Sandy Richter.

Thank you. Dr. Sandy Rector. Let's dive in, Sandy, Victor.

Let's talk about women in ministry.

I don't even like that phrase.

More specifically, like, women,

what does the Bible say about women in church leadership,

specifically exercising leadership over men in particular?

Because women can be in leadership over women, I mean,

complementarians would be totally fine with that.

Now, as you know, you've read parts of my manuscript for my forthcoming book.

So I actually do officially have a view, but it's not public until the book comes out.

So let's go, let's just go back in your, I don't know how far back you want to go.

When did you really start to wrestle with this question? I mean,

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