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On the Media

A Question of War

On the Media

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4.68.7K Ratings

🗓️ 14 January 2022

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Since the insurrection on January 6, warnings of a second American Civil War have been sounded. This week, On the Media explores whether the civil war talk is an alarmist cry, or actually a sober assessment. Plus, hear how the myth of “the Dark Ages” paints an unfair portrait of medieval times.

1. David Remnick, editor of The New Yorker and host of the New Yorker Radio Hour, on the risk of second civil war. Listen.

2. Barbara Walter [@bfwalter], professor of International Relations at the University of California, San Diego, on the tell-tale signs that a country is headed for insurgence. Listen.

3. Charlie Warzel [@cwarzel], journalist and contributing writer at The Atlantic, on when journalists should sound the alarm (and how loud we should ring it). Listen.

4. David M. Perry [@Lollardfish] and Matthew Gabriele [@prof_gabriele], authors of The Bright Ages: A New History of Medieval Europe, on how the Dark Ages might have not been so dark. Listen.

Music:

Wade in the Water by Hank Jones and Charlie HadenThe Glass House - Marjane’s Inspiration by David BergeaudSeinfeld Theme - Jonathan WolffLowland’s Away by Gregory Blavenz - The Us Army Fife And Drum CorpsHarpsichord - Four TetAd summan missam: Santus II by Ensemble Aeolus

Transcript

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0:00.0

Is America headed towards Civil War as many fear or at least a division into two countries,

0:06.6

one red, one blue?

0:07.8

In vocations of Civil War, a bound right now.

0:11.1

But how should we engage with them?

0:13.2

From WNYC in New York, this is on the media.

0:15.8

I'm Brooke Gladstone.

0:17.6

Also on the show, experts have rubrics for identifying the potential for Civil Wars abroad,

0:24.1

but would they work when applied here at home?

0:26.5

I'm sitting in a conference room in Washington DC and we're talking about Ukraine and we're

0:32.6

talking about Iraq.

0:34.9

And I'm watching as the US's democracy is declining.

0:39.2

Plus historians explain why dismissing 21st century violence is medieval.

0:44.6

Clouds are understanding of the past and our present.

0:48.3

It's kind of like, you know, when a politician says, that's not who we are.

0:51.5

Well, it is who we are because we just did that thing.

0:55.2

Well, coming up after this.

1:03.4

From WNYC in New York, this is on the media.

1:06.7

I'm Brooke Gladstone.

1:08.3

Since January 6th, a lofty mountain of evidence and testimony and analysis has arisen on what

1:15.4

took place at our nation's capital.

1:18.3

But in his address last week, President Joe Biden evoked one of the most visceral images

1:23.6

of the day.

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