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This is Our body politic.

I'm the creator and host, Farai Chidea.

We're looking at the fallout from former President Donald Trump's second impeachment trial

and diving into what herd immunity from COVID-19 looks like.

Charles Blow has been a New York Times op-ed columnist since 2008. For years, he was the only black columnist at the newspaper and the only Southerner.

He moved back to the South from New York to Georgia while writing his book, The Devil

You Know.

In it, he proposes a novel way to build black voting power, getting more

black people to move to the south. This is a little bit of Charles reading from his book.

We need a block of states, a region in which we and our children are equally conditioned to

success, support, and safety. We need a space in which

black imagination is equally encouraged, where we recognize that black children dream too.

Charles, welcome to Our Body Politics. Thank you so much. I'm happy to be here.

You know, let's just jump right in here. I want to start in an unlikely place for a black power manifesto as the subtitle of your book reads. And that is Vermont. I have had very nice trips to the Ben and Jerry's factory. I don't think of it as directly relating to black power, but you make a persuasive case.

What are you talking about? Well, Vermont is an interesting case where mass migration for the

specific intent of changing the political dynamic of a state has worked.

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