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Welcome, Mike Lyons, to the Armstrong and Getty Show.

Hey, Jack, thanks for having me.

I do want to talk about your piece in real clear defense about the $20,000 drone that should wake up the Pentagon, because that sounds really, really interesting.

But before we get to that, I was just reading at least one piece in the Wall Street Journal where they were comfortable declaring that we lost this war and certainly that the Iranians feel like they won it.

Is there a way there that at West Point or, you know, those of you in college classes who'd study war determine a win versus a loss?

And at what point do you determine that?

Well, if you look at war as an extension of foreign policy, you know, the warfare,

the operational success that we have here, did that give the president, did the country

the leverage to negotiate what we're considered to be favorable terms for us?

Right now, it is looking like that

that's just not the case. The operational success, the military success was clear on the ground,

given what's been destroyed of the Iranian Navy, their capability to manufacture,

we're finding capability going forward. However, what's the political outcome of this?

You know, the best comparison is Vietnam, right? We've never really lost a battle on the ground in Vietnam.

However, we end up losing that from a strategic perspective. So the story's not out there yet. It hasn't been told.

But, you know, I think the can's been kicked down the road right now. And the story's not out there yet. It hasn't been told, but I think the can's been

kicked down the road right now. And the question is whether or not the military gave the

president the leverage. I think we did give the president the leverage he needed to negotiate harder,

but it doesn't look like that's the outcome. So it seems to be most people left, right,

and center don't like this deal. But we've had a few people who say, and this might be where Trump is, you've got to live in the real world, where we are today with a possible worldwide recession if we keep the straight closed and what it's doing to the price of oil and this and that and what it would take for the military to get to our objectives at this point, is this the smart thing to do now?

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