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It's really, I think, intoxicating for a woman who's working, you know, 90-hour weeks to sit down and see somebody just flown around on a helicopter and taking care of just because she's pretty.

As a young woman working in television, ardent feminist Sarah Gertrude Shapiro

found herself almost conscripted to work as a producer on The Bachelor.

And she does understand the show's appeal.

She tells us how she mind her ambivalence about that experience to create the new Lifetime series, Unreal.

A dromedy set behind the scenes of a reality show that is not The Bachelor, except it kind of is. But first on the news banter,

the Murdox show the world how succession is done, and Brad Pitt goes to Netflix. Stay tuned. It's

the business from KCRW.

I am joined by my partner in banter, Michael Schneider of TV Guide magazine. Hello, Michael.

Hi, Kim. So the big story is, of course, the Murdox. You have to admire, regardless of how you feel about the Murdox, and some people actually don't care for them, Mike.

I've heard that.

You have to admire the way they've executed this Rupert Murdoch stepping aside as chief executive of his companies.

He's got actually two companies, News Corp, the newspaper operation, and 21st Century Fox, which is the film and TV operation, and handing the reins to the two princes, his sons, James and Lockland.

Right. We've been watching the chess pieces sort of line up in place for the past couple of years, actually, especially last year when he brought Lockland much closer into the fold.

He's been operating as a non-executive co-chairman for a while now. And now Lachlan will be sort of back in the game, even spending more time in L.A. But the big news, of course,

is James Murdoch taking over the CEO role that Rupert formerly had and sort of cementing his power

as the heir apparent of 21st Century Fox. Right. Again, this is the film stuff and TV stuff,

not the newspaper stuff. That's, I think, still his playground. Now, Lachlan had been sort of

seen at one point as the heir to Rupert Murdoch. He had kind of a bumpy experience, you know,

some of the senior executives at the time when this was happening several years ago,

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