I think the power of those radical conversations when somebody says, you know, no, maybe we don't

need police.

That outweighs the benefit of people's defensiveness because I just think it opens up the room.

It shifts the territory.

It shakes the foundation enough that people can get out of their sort of default modes.

And as human beings, our default modes are very powerful and they are very difficult to

shake.

And I think the aggressive activism has been a gift because even if we decide where

the policy settles in a place that is not that radical solution, that aggressive activism

opened up possibilities that were not there before.

This is Sarah and Beth, your listening to Pantsuit Politics.

At home of Graceville Political Conversations.

Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of Pantsuit Politics.

We are so thrilled to be here with you today.

Today we're going to talk about the verdict in the George Floyd murder trial.

We're going to share our interview with Nila Bhutu from Axios.

And we're going to talk about what's on our mind outside politics.

But before we do all that, we wanted to say thank you for all the kind feedback about

our feature in the New York Times.

We were not expecting it.

It was very exciting.

We are thrilled and honored as well as our feature in the Apple Podcast subscription announcement.

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