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Planet Money

A pro-worker experiment in private equity

Planet Money

NPR

Business, News

4.630.5K Ratings

🗓️ 8 April 2026

⏱️ 26 minutes

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If your company got bought by a private equity firm, how would you feel? Maybe a little nervous? You might find yourself wondering if there will be layoffs.

And you’d be right to worry about that. Research shows that while private equity ownership can boost a company’s productivity, it does generally result in job cuts. 

But one private equity executive is trying to do things a different way – giving workers equity, little cuts of ownership in their own companies. To see if doing so can improve outcomes overall. 

On today’s show, private equity is not widely beloved for its societal costs – job losses, product degradation, worsening inequality. And this one guy at this one firm can’t solve all of his industry’s ills. But for the past 15 years, he’s been running a large-scale, real-world experiment to see if giving workers ownership can fit into the big bad world of PE. And maybe lead to more … equity. 

Recommended Listening/Reading:

What Do Private Equity Firms Actually Do?
The risk of private equity in your 401(k)
Here's what happens when private equity buys homes in your neighborhood (newsletter)
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This is Planet Money from NPR.

0:58.2

Cindy Cordes loved her job.

1:00.7

She worked at a company called Capital Safety.

1:03.0

It made safety equipment, like harnesses people wear, washing windows on skyscrapers or working on oil rigs.

1:09.3

And her team made the part that attaches to the harnesses.

1:13.4

I was in the shocks, which the shocks was the part that would tie off from the harness to your point of, say, on a building or a scaffolding or whatever.

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What was your favorite part of the job?

1:28.4

Sending out quality equipment and knowing that it's going to save people lives.

1:34.0

She'd been at the company since the early 90s, worked her way up, and by 2011, Cindy was the

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manufacturing lead on the production floor.

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She oversaw a team of like 40 people.

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And I had to make sure that they

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