Maga is ahead of the church. It's the tatted-slee boomer Maga guy who thinks the F-bombs a conjunction. That's the guy that ran into the library and said, what the bleep are we doing drag queen's story time hour for? Notice how like every culture war issue is that now. It's marriage, sexuality, the gender spectrum, baby killing. How is it possible President Comeover for all of his issues is ahead of you? We're going to go back to the very first question. We all say we want to end abortion. How are we going to do it? How's it end? Take me there. I'm What does it say about the state of the American church?

When the 60-year-old tatted up Magad, who uses the F-word as his favorite pejorative, has more moral clarity and is more

righteously indignant about drag queen's story hours, trans surgeries for minors, and porn in the

schools than the average pastor down the street. Steve Deis, I mean, I think he's one of the most

prophetic, brilliant Christian cultural commentators on the airwaves today,

joins us again at the Seth Gruber Show here at the seven weeks coffee studio at Life or DeathCon conference to dive into the riffs in the pro-life movement.

And Steve Dase really riffs on this episode, let me tell you.

The losing issues argument that has paralyzed Christians

and why we haven't ended abortion already. We're going there today with the best commentator

in the conservative movement. We're tearing down the hypocrisy that has crept into the GOP

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I get you on the show all the time now.

Yeah, well, I appreciate it, and I appreciate the work you're doing and the debate you're trying to have because you want to win.

And I hate losing. Show me a gracious loser.

I'll show you a loser.

I didn't let my kids win a single game of Candyland growing up.

I give nothing to no one.

I hate losing.

That's awesome, dude.

So I love the fact that your arguments stem from the premise of,

is this going to win?

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