This is Words Matter with Elise Jordan and Steve Schmidt.

Welcome to Words Matter.

I'm Elise Jordan along with Steve Schmidt.

Our goal is to promote objective reality.

As a wise man once said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, not their own facts.

Words have power and words have consequences.

In this episode, we'll follow Steve on his political journey from his first campaign

to his decision to leave the Republican Party.

We'll talk about George Zebibush, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Dick Cheney, John McCain,

and who's really responsible for giving us Sarah Payland.

Steve, you made a little bit of news recently when you announced that you were no longer

part of the Republican Party.

Elise, I'm surprised anyone cared that much, but yeah, no, I'm out.

I left.

Yeah, it's kind of surprising to me that the Republican Party is still even called the Republican

Party and not just called the Trump Party.

So I thought it would be fun to interview you so people could hear out your journey and

why you made that decision.

I'll do it as long as I get to do that to you in one of these future episodes.

Okay, okay.

Good luck.

Steve, people know you from the McCain campaign, working for President Bush.

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