Hello, Jennifer Samar!

Hello, Patrick Hyne!

Sometimes I'm like, I only call you mother in the podcast. Never call you Jen anymore. I prefer when you call me mother and I prefer calling you Papa. I know. Oh my goodness. I love it so much. How are you? I'm great. I'm really excited. We're doing season two, episode 25. A piece of cake. You and I had a big emotional reaction to certain parts of this episode.

Yes.

Cheezies, just while we got you, join the Facebook group, if you don't mind.

It's the Golden Girls Deep Dive podcast discussion group.

There's so much fun stuff going on in there.

We're growing so fast.

Yeah.

Thanks to the fandom.

And I get messages all the time about people that are really becoming friends.

Yes. And if you're like me in an introvert, you can be a lurker. You don't have to be all social. One of the cheeses out there has been taking our moments from our episodes and turning them into scenes that they're like recording themselves being both you and me. Do that, Cheeses. I love it. We will share it far and wide. It is my favorite thing. Make your TikToks about us and we will share them everywhere. The creativity of the cheesy is incredible. It's so good. So we already talked about the episode proper, but it was written by Kathy Spear, Terry Grossman, Mort Nathan, and Barry Fanaro. And that'll make sense because there are scene lets in this episode. In season one when we had an episode like this, it had that many writers. Exactly. This was directed by Terry Hughes. Yep. Original air date May 9th, 1987. And there was stuff happening in the world. Yeah. So this week on the Billboard chart, it was number three. But it eventually did make it to number one. And this is U2's famous song, With or Without You.

Uh, With or Without You.

Yeah.

All right. So obviously it's iconic because we are singing it splendidly, I know, I know.

Thank you so much.

But it's from the famous studio album, The Joshua Tree. Yes. All right. And Bono discussed the meaning of with or without you because there's lots of talk about that. Yeah. Yeah. And what he said was it's a lose-lose situation. A, should I stay or should I go predicament, if you will. It's a song about an impossible relationship that the singer

can't escape, nothing to win and nothing left to lose. While many have assumed that the meaning of

this song is about a romantic relationship turns sour, and they would be correct, Bono occasionally

offered a second meaning for the songs, Larry. And this is what I found interesting. He wrote it with

the other members of you two, Adam Clayton, Larry Mullen Jr. what I found interesting. He wrote it with the other members of you, too,

Adam Clayton, Larry Mullen, Jr. and The Edge and explained that the lyrics could be interpreted

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