A pattern of denial at the Department of Homeland Security
On Point with Meghna Chakrabarti
WBUR
4.3 • 3.9K Ratings
🗓️ 30 January 2026
⏱️ 37 minutes
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Summary
Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said Minneapolis nurse Alex Pretti planned to “inflict maximum damage on individuals and to kill law enforcement.” But that’s not what eyewitnesses say and videos show. How can Americans trust an agency that disputes what we see with our own eyes?
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| 0:45.1 | On Saturday, January 24th, Alex Preti was shot and killed by federal border patrol agents in Minneapolis. |
| 0:53.0 | Cell phone videos now seen around the world |
| 0:55.4 | have allowed forensics experts |
| 0:56.9 | and multiple journalism organizations |
| 0:58.9 | to create moment-by-moment analyses of the shooting. |
| 1:02.9 | The audio timeline you're about to hear |
| 1:04.9 | contains sounds of gunshots. |
| 1:18.2 | At approximately 9 a.m., civilians, including Predi, gather on Nicolet Avenue in Minneapolis. |
| 1:27.4 | Preti is in the middle of the street, holding up a cell phone, apparently recording federal agents. |
| 1:32.6 | An agent puts his hand on Preddy's chest and pushes him backwards to the sidewalk. |
| 1:37.0 | Bystander video from across the street captures Preddy saying, |
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