Go specifically to UK. Well, I haven't spent much time. What I really don't understand. You were heavily involved. You were there with cameras. So you saw the invasion when it was coming in. It went from 1.6 million to 2.7 million, because I think camera went and went. 2010? 2010. And then it skyrocketed. So what patterns did you see?

What mistakes did you see they were making?

Is it just too tolerant?

So this is where we really fell out because we, I was very much part of the, a senior advisor.

I was strategic, the guy.

Yes.

Everything is smaller or more of a shoestring in British politics.

So there's not much money

there, and I basically did a number of jobs, the strategy, policy, communications, the whole

thing. And we had a commitment, I think I'm getting this right, in going into that 2010

election, this was his, he particularly, it was his idea actually to say this make this commitment net

migration into the UK to bring it under 100,000 a year that was the that was the pledge that

we made and it was David Cameron's idea I think that's's right. Net migration under 100,000 a year.

And one of the main reasons that we, yeah, we are, never achieved the pledge, yeah, yeah,

hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands of. So one of the reasons that that was never met and it was very clearly

explained to me we had a policy we you know this was a policy commitment so of course you're there

once it once he became prime minister you're in 10 Downing Street you're really focused on delivering

your promises one of the things we kept look at why you, you know, we said this, is it happening, making,

you know, checking on progress.

On this particular one, I remember a meeting where the officials, the bureaucrats came in and said,

look, basically said, you're never going to achieve this target as long as you're in the

EU.

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