Don't hold anything too tightly. Just wish for it, want it, let it come from the

intention of real truth for you, and then let it go. For me our soul is like it's

unbound, it's limitless, but we will use words to limit ourselves. When people

stop believing that somebody's got your back or Superman's coming we turn to

ourselves and that's where you become empowered. Courageous participation attracts

positive things. I'm Gwyneth Paltrow. This is the Goop podcast, bringing together

thought leaders, culture changers, creatives, founders and CEOs, scientists,

doctors, healers and seekers, here to start conversations because simply asking

questions and listening has the power to change the way we see the world.

Today is no exception. I'll let Elise fill you in on her extraordinary guest.

All right, over to Elise. My guest today is healer, best-selling author and trauma therapist,

Resma Menacum. In his book My Grandmother's Hands, Resma explores the long lineage of trauma

in the human body, from the brutality of the Middle Ages to the quote unquote,

settling of America to the era of modern enslavement. He argues that while we want to

reason and think our way out of these constructs, they live on in each of our bodies,

somatically held and then passed on through each generation, only to be

retriggered. He calls this trauma retention. According to Resma, healing will not be a mental

exercise. It will require feeling our way through and metabolizing our pain.

Today, we talk about why he thinks it may take nine generations to heal the racial trauma in our

country, but also why we need to start this work now. He explains the difference between dirty pain

and clean pain. And he gives me an example of the kind of somatic healing exercises he does with

clients, which I felt deeply in my body and I think you will too. I've been eager to chat with

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