Sam and Sadie, they are spouses and he's not her child and yet this is the most important

relationship that both of them have. Gabrielle Zeven joins us to talk about her new

novel Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow, which takes us inside the world of video game

design through the lives of three characters.

You know, it's very much aware that Indigenous fiction tries to perform for a largely white

readership. You can always want to just shy away from it.

Morgan Talti is here to talk about his debut story collection, Night of the Living Res.

Plus, my colleague Liz Harris will be here with news from a publishing world and the

Times as Critics Dwight Garner and Alexandra Jacobs will be here to talk about books they've

recently reviewed. This is the Book Review Podcast. It's July 1st. I'm John Williams.

Gabrielle Zeven is the author of several novels, including the story, Life of AJ Fickery.

Her new book is Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow. And she's here to talk about it. Hi, Gabrielle.

Hi.

So let's start with the title because that is a very notable line from literary history.

How did you decide on it and was that first?

It was not first. It came about, I would say, 25% of the way through the process. The

funny thing is that the publisher, the big debate was whether to leave the commas in or

not. There will be, will it be searchable if there's commas after each of those tomorrow's.

But you did not include them. We did include them. We did. This is Kanoff. We included them.

You know, the precision of the comma and Shakespeare includes them by the way. So I think that

was the argument that went out in the end.

This is a famous line from Macbeth and how does it play into the idea of your novel?

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