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Consider This from NPR

A North Korean Defector SharesThoughts On Diplomacy With U.S.

Consider This from NPR

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πŸ—“οΈ 14 June 2023

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Summary

When Kim Hyun-woo stepped into the NPR studios in Washington, he was doing something that in his past life would have gotten him killed - speaking frankly with an American journalist.

That's because Mr. Kim spent 17 years working for North Korean intelligence at the Ministry of State Security.

He defected in 2014 and lives today in South Korea.

In a rare glimpse behind the curtain of one of the most isolated countries in the world, he shared his thoughts on pathways to diplomacy between Washington and Pyongyang, possible successors to Kim Jong Un and his fears for loved ones who remain in North Korea.

Kim Hyun-woo spoke with NPR's Mary Louise Kelly in an exclusive interview.

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0:00.0

κΉ€ν˜„μš°

0:09.0

κΉ€ν˜„μš° was born, lived, and worked.

0:12.0

in a country much of the world knows little about.

0:15.0

μ €λŠ” λΆν•œμ—μ„œ

0:18.0

for 17 years in North Korea,

0:21.0

I worked for North Korean intelligence agency.

0:25.0

You were a spy.

0:26.0

νŒŒμ΄μš•ν•  λ³΄λ‹€λŠ”

0:29.0

My role was more about protecting the regime security internally.

0:35.0

I spoke with Mr. Kim here in Washington last week.

0:38.0

He had just stepped off the plane.

0:40.0

The first time he'd ever set foot on American soil.

0:43.0

I asked for details of his work at North Korea's top intelligence agency,

0:47.0

the Ministry of State Security.

0:49.0

κ΅­κ°€ λ³΄μ΄μ†Œλ§Œ spy 듀을 νŒŒκ²¬ν•˜λŠ” 기관은 μ•„λ‹™λ‹ˆλ‹€.

0:52.0

메인 탓 was not to send out agents abroad,

0:56.0

but whether to track down, identify, and catch what the regime views as hostile agents

1:03.0

or hostile activities within the state.

1:06.0

For much of his life, speaking frankly,

1:08.0

with an American journalist would have gotten Kim Hyun-woo killed.

1:12.0

But in 2014, he defected.

1:15.0

Today, he lives in Seoul, South Korea,

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