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Today in Focus

A North Korean defector on why Kim Jong Un has sent troops to Ukraine

Today in Focus

The Guardian

News, Daily News

4.65.9K Ratings

🗓️ 2 September 2025

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

What does North Korea’s involvement in Ukraine mean for Kim Jong-un’s geopolitical ambitions? With Jean Lee. Help support our independent journalism at theguardian.com/infocus

Transcript

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0:00.0

This is The Guardian.

0:06.4

Today, what North Korean troops are doing in Ukraine and what Kim Jong-un is getting out of it.

0:19.8

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1:02.4

My name is Hjansung Lee.

1:04.3

I'm a former North Korean soldier.

1:06.3

Here's a voice you don't often get to hear.

1:08.7

My role was to infiltrate enemy lines and locate key targets,

1:13.4

such as enemy artillery units, supply lines, and commander posts. Like all North Korean men,

1:20.8

Hjong was conscripted into the army aged just 17. The lengths varies, but it's typically

1:26.7

seven to ten years for male and then 5 to 7 years for female.

1:32.9

Life as a soldier was hard.

1:35.1

Living conditions for ordinary soldiers are very poor.

1:39.1

Meals like basic and 70% of coin and 30% of white rice.

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