The issue is the American people should speak.

You should go out and vote.

You're in voting now.

Vote and let your senators know how strong do you feel.

Vote now.

You're going to pack the vote?

Make sure you, in fact, let people know. He people know. You're a senator. I'm not going to

answer the question. Why wouldn't you answer that question? Because the question is, the question is, the question is,

would you shut up, man. Now that's just a sample of the first presidential debate of 2020,

an event like none that has ever gone before, forget Kennedy

and Nixon in 1960, Reagan and Carter in 1980, or anything else since then. Biden and especially

Trump were so out of control. The Commission on presidential debates has promised new tools

to maintain order for the next two scheduled

confrontations. This podcast will be something to listen back to between now and election day

for the ongoing lessons of this debacle. What do they mean for democracy here at home?

And for relations with both friends and adversaries around the world.

We'll start with Kathleen Hall-Gamison, familiar voice on our podcasts, a student of political

communication at the University of Pennsylvania, the author of Presidential Debates,

the challenge of creating an informed electorate. She's also written about cyber war and dirty politics.

Welcome, as always.

It's so good to be back.

So domestically and internationally, what's the impact?

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