You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero podcast. You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero Podcast.

Hi, Tim.

Hi there, Bob.

How you doing?

I'm doing great.

Can't complain.

Well, then don't, Tim.

We'll move right along with the podcast, since we don't have spend time with your petty complaints.

So let me introduce us.

I'm Robert Wright, publisher of Non-Zero Newsletter.

This is the non-zero podcast.

You're Timothy B. Lee, publisher of the Understanding AI newsletter.

We're going to talk about AI, in particular, a development last week,

in fact, I think Friday, a few days ago, or Thursday, that depending on who you talk to,

was either very big, arguably the biggest development in large language models in more than a year,

or is being somewhat hyped, its significance overstated.

Now, you tend to fall in general in life in the this is being overstated camp, I think, by nature, right?

You're kind of a skeptic by nature, am I right?

To some extent.

I mean, I try not to be like predictably in one camp or the other, but I would say since,

from GPD4 until last week at least, my view was that things did not seem to be progressing

very quickly. Oh, so we'll leave people in suspense for a second on whether you've now got religion.

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