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🗓️ 5 May 2025
⏱️ 78 minutes
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Ethereum Foundation's new Co-Executive Directors, Tomasz Stanczak and Hsiao-Wei Wang, join Bankless to outline their vision for the future of Ethereum.
We explore their backgrounds, the changing leadership at EF, and the roadmap ahead—from accelerating L1 scaling and improving UX to making Ethereum more dynamic and product-focused. This episode offers a rare behind-the-scenes look at how Ethereum plans to stay resilient, decentralized, and mission-aligned in a fast-changing world.
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
8:19 Career Journey
16:22 What Value Are They Providing
23:39 Continuing the Ethereum Legacy
31:11 Ethereum Foundation: Strengths, Gaps & Calls for Leadership
43:41 The Pectra Disaster
1:00:51 Scaling and Improving the Layer 2
1:06:55 The Concept of "Product Centric Ethereum"
1:11:49 Metrics, Accountability & Operational Leadership at Ethereum
1:14:41 What the Ethereum Foundation Isn't Responsible For
1:18:35 Clearing Up EF Misconceptions
1:26:25 Inside Ethereum’s Upgrade Cycle
1:31:17 Closing and Disclosure
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RESOURCES
Hsiao-Wei Wang
https://x.com/hwwonx
Tomasz K. Stańczak
https://x.com/tkstanczak
Ethereum Foundation
https://ethereum.foundation/
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0:00.0 | Ethereum researchers and developers have been debating for years now. It was going to get shipped in Pectra. |
0:05.0 | In the last minute, it got removed just because people didn't think it was ready. |
0:08.0 | And now there's frustration because some people have spent tens, hundreds, thousands of hours poured into this thing. |
0:13.0 | And now the community changed its mind and now it's not going in. |
0:17.0 | Particularly that Pectra comment, many people actually got confused and believed that this discussion |
0:21.8 | about the pectoralise that is coming the 7th of may but it's actually fuzaka we're talking about |
0:26.1 | a thing six months from now so it's not really a last moment removal it's a removal of the feature |
0:31.3 | that is designed to go in a fork that is not even fully scheduled however we want to accelerate |
0:36.9 | it and say that |
0:37.7 | clearly we'll deliver it for September and October. So the process is still very much about... |
0:42.3 | Welcome to Bankless, where we explore the frontier of internet money and internet finance. |
0:53.3 | Today on the podcast, we're exploring the frontier of Ethereum's leadership. |
0:57.1 | Today on the episode, we have the two new co-executive directors of the Ethereum Foundation, |
1:01.5 | Tamash and Shaouet. |
1:03.4 | These two new co-EFEDs represents a new chapter for Ethereum, for the Ethereum Foundation, |
1:09.1 | and also for the Ethereum ecosystem, too, I would |
1:11.5 | say. This transition at the EF to new leadership has represented one shift of many that are needed |
1:16.8 | for the direction of Ethereum that have left many hopeful about the future of Ethereum's progress, |
1:21.9 | a future in which Ethereum has more operational leadership than it's had in the past, a future |
1:26.4 | where upgrade cadences |
1:27.6 | are accelerated, and one where product mindfulness is prioritized. In addition to the two new |
1:34.0 | EFEDs, we bankless station also get to welcome Ryan back to his first interview podcast since |
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