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The Lawfare Podcast

A New Arab Spring in Iraq and Lebanon?

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🗓️ 9 November 2019

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Over the past several weeks, popular protest movements have emerged in both Iraq and Lebanon, expressing widespread discontent with the status quo in both countries. The unrest has led to both the resignation of Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri and a public statement by Iraqi Prime Minister Adil Abdul-Mahdi of his intent to resign as soon as a successor is selected. But protestors also have been the subject of increasingly violent repression, especially in Iraq, where Iranian forces are believed to be actively combatting the demonstrators. To discuss these developments, Scott R. Anderson sat down with Randa Slim of the Middle East Institute; Rasha Al Aqeedi, managing editor of Irfaa Sawtak; and Tamara Cofman Wittes of the Brookings Institution.

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no bull and the aftermath.

0:30.9

Changing the status quo is not going to be easy.

0:36.8

Changing the constitution is also a problem.

0:38.8

You have this time around.

0:40.4

Sunnis and Kurds are also a bit afraid of constitutional changes.

0:44.0

They have their own interest.

0:45.7

Like Lebanon, there's like a vast web of interest that benefit from the status quo they're

0:51.0

not going to give up easily.

0:52.8

So I don't see this movement actually achieving all of it.

0:55.5

What it has achieved already that cannot be taken from them is the massive social changes

0:59.2

in Iraq.

1:00.2

As someone from the country born and raised, I left around 2014.

1:04.9

What I'm seeing today, I never thought I'd see in my lifetime and I'm not that much older

1:08.4

than the protesters.

1:09.6

I never thought I'd see women staying all night, aiding the injured protesters with their

1:14.7

families.

1:15.7

I never thought I'd see this openness about being so vocally against the status quo.

1:21.0

I've always thought Iraqis were kind of pacified after all the violence and trauma we've seen

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