President Trump, with the best of intentions in 2016 and 17, were just focused on the top 300 positions.

But he learned, like the rest of us, I've had to learn this too. You've got to be focused on all

4,500 politically appointed positions. And you've got to be willing to play ball on civil

service reform over a generation to make sure that these unelected bureaucrats, just posit that

they're great people. I'm willing to do that, they shouldn't have the authority they have.

But we're not going to solve that overnight.

We're not going to solve that in one presidential term.

I think we're going to be deep into the 2030s before we can look back and say, and this is

if we have sustained power, before we can look back and say we did it.

Dr. Kevin Roberts is the president of the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank that

plays a central role in hosting national public policy debates among the political right.

Roberts is a lifelong educator with a career in building academic institutions, as well as a writer

whose analysis has appeared in major outlets like the Wall Street Journal and National Review.

Roberts also features thought leaders on his eponymous podcast, where he sits down with everyone

from senators to tech innovators and green berets. Roberts' latest book, Dawn's Early Light,

offers a diagnosis of America's most urgent problems, as well as a series of policy prescriptions

for a more prosperous future. In today's episode, we discussed the trade-offs inherent to policymaking,

why Republicans must not neglect fiscal conservatism any longer, and which executive agency he would reform first if he had a magic wand.

Kevin Roberts also injects nuance into our foreign policy debates and explains why some institutions are not even worth overhauling.

Dr. Kevin Roberts' combination of scholarly expertise and practical policy experience

makes him a strong advocate for the broader conservative movement. Stay tuned and welcome back

to another episode of the Sunday special.

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