You know, I really wasn't having luck treating my migraines.

And he goes, you know, you really can treat migraine with this.

You know, it works.

And I think just hearing that, just pushed through some resistance that I think might have been there.

And it helped me be able to look at things in a different way.

Welcome to like mind, like body. I'm Laura Sago, and today I am interviewing Dr. Dario Zager, an associate professor at Yale School of Medicine and practicing neurologist with a passion

for helping patients who experience chronic pain and symptoms.

Stick around to hear Dr. Zager talk through his own personal experience with several

different chronic symptoms, as well as his best advice for patients. As always, this podcast

is a part of the Curable Universe. If you're not familiar with Curable,

it is an app designed to help you heal from chronic pain and symptoms. So if that is

something that you struggle with, be sure to check it out. You can get started for free at

curable.com. Let's dive into the interview.

Dr. Zager, thank you so much for joining us on the show today.

I'm excited to hear more about your own personal story and all of your work with patients and anywhere else the conversation goes today.

Sounds great.

Thank you for having me.

Of course.

So like many clinicians who end up having a passion for treating chronic pain, you have had firsthand personal experience with your own chronic symptoms,

and you have also experienced the winding road to healing from them. Tell me about that.

Yeah, so that exactly, that's exactly correct. So my first kind of main symptom was, like many people, was back pain.

And this really started not long after I graduated from college and also like many people.

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