Well, welcome back to another episode of five minutes in church history on this episode.

It's really my pleasure to visit once again with my good friend all the way from Columbia,

South Carolina.

And before that, Wales, Dr. Derek Thomas.

Thank you, Steve.

Always good to be with you and especially on this program.

Well, let's jump in.

We talk about the Mount Everests of church history all the time, Augustine, Luther, Calvin,

Edwards, Spurgeon.

Let's just shine a spotlight on someone who may not get attention all the time,

but you think would be helpful for us to remember and learn a little bit about who would that be?

You know, I thought about this a lot and a thousand people came to mind.

And then I got a little nervous because, you know, you are the historian.

And I think for me, it would be Dr. Martin Lloyd Jones.

Now, he does get attention in some quarters, maybe less here than in my home country of Wales.

He died in 1982 or 1983.

I was ordained in 78.

So we overlap just briefly.

I heard in preach, maybe a dozen times, met him personally, a couple of times,

shook hands with him, grew up within 10, 15 miles of where I grew up.

And he's buried within 10 miles of where my mother currently lives.

Did you first hear him when you were in college, is that right?

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