Hello there. This is Mark Bauerline with another conversation. Before we get to it, a word about one of our sponsors.

You may have seen a recent article in Inside Higher Ed.com that began, Wyoming Catholic College has a lot of unusual things about it,

each enough to merit a story in itself.

Wyoming Catholic is a conservative Catholic college that educates students in the great books and Catholic tradition. It also teaches horsemanship and banned cell phones on campus. I love

that. And it turned down federal funding. President Glenn Arbery describes the mission this way.

This college is engaged in deep ways with

the agony of a culture that has lost its spiritual center. We're adventurous and poetic and deeply

Catholic. He likes to cite Dostoevsky in crime and punishment. Low ceilings are bad for the

soul. The ceilings rise at Wyoming Catholic, which is located in the foothills of the

Wind River Mountains, the curriculum centers in the Western tradition. Its Catholic

identity builds upon Thomas Aquinas and the Magisterium of the Catholic Church and engaging

with God in the wilderness. Find out more at Wyoming Catholic.edu. We have with us Brandon McGinley.

He's a writer and journalist on faith and politics whose work has appeared in First at wyoming catholic.edu. We have with us, Brandon McGinley.

He's a writer and journalist on faith and politics,

whose work has appeared in First Things, Our Magazine,

as well as in The Washington Post,

The National Review, Catholic Herald,

and other publications. He has a new book out called The Prodigal Church,

Restoring Catholic Tradition in an age of deception.

It's with Sophia Press.

Welcome, welcome Mr. McGinley.

Thank you very much, Dr. Barline.

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