Welcome everyone to Family Talk. It's a ministry of the James Dobson Family Institute, supported by

listeners just like you. I'm Dr. James Dobson, and I'm thrilled that you've joined us.

Well, welcome to Family Talk. I'm Roger Marsh. When a physician takes the Hippocratic

oath, they pledge to first do no harm. But what happens when the government tries to force

doctors to violate that sacred commitment? On today's edition of Dr. James Dobson's family talk,

we're bringing you a classic conversation featuring Dr. Dobson

and his guest, Dr. Robert Lawler, a board-certified obstetrician serving communities on Chicago's

South Side. With over two decades of experience delivering babies, Dr. Lawler is also medical

director of OSF Little Company of Mary Medical Center and a member of the American Association of

Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynaecologists. When Illinois passed a law requiring pro-life

physicians to refer patients for abortions, Dr. Lawler faced an impossible choice, compromise

his conscience, or risk his practice. His courageous stand for life reminds us why defending religious

freedom matters now more than ever before. So let's get into this classic conversation on

today's edition of Dr. James Dobson's Family Talk.

Today we're honored to have Dr. Robert Lawler with us.

He's a distinguished obstetrician and gynecologist at Good Samaritan Hospital in Illinois, I think Chicago,

and he's been with other prestigious medical institutions through the years.

In fact, for 25 years, he's been delivering babies and caring for pregnant women.

And I have great respect for him.

I've heard about him before.

This is the first time that we've had an opportunity to get acquainted,

and I will introduce him to you in a moment. He is a member of the American Academy of pro-life obstetricians and gynecologists, and many of those men and women are my friends. I have spoken

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