A Moment Of Clarity: When Politicians Lecture the Pope: The Truth About "Just War"
The Michael Steele Podcast
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🗓️ 16 April 2026
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After Pope Leo’s recent criticisms of the war, the response from Washington has been nothing short of "erratic." From J.D. Vance telling the Pontiff to be "careful" when discussing theology to Speaker Mike Johnson claiming the "Just War Doctrine" is a settled political matter, the lines between Church and State are getting dangerously blurry. Michael Steele gives a masterclass in moral clarity and breaks down the actual Catechism of the Catholic Church to see if this conflict actually meets the criteria for a "Just War."
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| 0:00.0 | And now for a moment of clarity. |
| 0:05.0 | His erratic behavior continues with troubling new attacks on the Pope. |
| 0:11.0 | Last night, he named-checked Pope Leo online, pushing back against the pontiff's criticism of the war. |
| 0:17.0 | And rather than caution the President, the White House's resident Catholic, J.D. |
| 0:21.7 | Vance, escalated those attacks, telling a crowd of young conservatives that Pope Leo should be, |
| 0:26.9 | quote, careful when talking about theology. And here's how Speaker Mike Johnson defending both Trump |
| 0:34.1 | and Vance. A pontiff or any religious leader can say anything they want, but obviously if you |
| 0:40.8 | wade into political waters, I think you should expect some political response. |
| 0:45.0 | It is a very well-settled matter of Christian theology. |
| 0:48.2 | There's something called the Just War Doctrine. |
| 0:50.0 | There's a time to every purpose under heaven. |
| 0:59.6 | I don't know what the hell that is because when you go and look at the catechism of the Roman Catholic Church, and I can specifically cite for you, Mr. Speaker, section 2307 to 2317, it lays out |
| 1:07.6 | exactly the framing for a just war. And there's nothing about it under heaven or anything like that. |
| 1:13.2 | What it specifically refers to is the idea that this is a moral framework. |
| 1:20.1 | And it's this concept called use ad bellum, which means right to go to war. |
| 1:26.6 | And what it requires, all these things have to be met. |
| 1:29.5 | And this is what the Pope has been trying to get it folks to understand. |
| 1:32.9 | Just cause, typically self-defense against aggression, legitimate authority declared by proper |
| 1:38.6 | political authority. |
| 1:40.0 | Hmm, Congress, right intention, not revenge, conquest, or domination, last resort. |
| 1:47.4 | All peaceful options are exhausted. |
| 1:49.5 | Probability of success, not futile bloodshed, and certainly proportionality. |
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