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The Michael Steele Podcast

A Moment Of Clarity: MAGA's Ukraine Divide: Trump's Shifting Stance Tests Loyalist Resolve

The Michael Steele Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, Government, History, News

4.83.1K Ratings

🗓️ 9 July 2025

⏱️ 2 minutes

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Summary

Michael Steele explores the burgeoning rift between President Trump and his most fervent MAGA base, ignited by his evolving stance on arming Ukraine. This policy pivot could compel his supporters to confront the intricate realities of foreign policy alongside their steadfast allegiance.

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0:00.0

And now for a moment of clarity.

0:05.0

Michael, if your boss comes out and gives you that type of no confidence vote, what's the message?

0:14.0

Oh, you know, I think what you'll see is folks double down on kissing the ring.

0:23.6

I think they go back and they figure out where they went wrong with Trump, where they overstepped

0:31.6

or didn't do what he thought they should do.

0:35.6

And the other side of, I don't know how much I want to make of any of those

0:39.2

interactions with Trump. Because I think at the end of the day, the politics that's driving

0:46.2

this is he's at the center. All things flow into him. Everything flows out from him. And so

0:52.8

everybody's going to get pushed around that table just a little bit.

0:56.5

But outside of the ring is where it gets interesting.

1:00.9

Outside the walls of the White House and the West Wing, folks on the ground and on the street

1:06.7

are getting a different vibe from all of this.

1:09.4

So, Claire, I want to get your thoughts on what Playbook is talking about right now is this sort of rift between MAGA and Trump, noting in MAGA world, anger over last night's U-turn is already starting to flow.

1:21.6

Trump's repeated pledges to end America's involvement in overseas wars were a big part of his appeal to the MAGA base

1:27.9

and so his decision to start re-arming Ukraine

1:31.3

is not landing well.

1:33.2

You can expect MAGA anger to swell.

1:36.6

I, you know, my view of Eclare is,

1:39.3

so what? What's you going to do?

1:41.5

You're going to walk away from Trump?

1:43.2

Are you just going to do like most MAGA folks do and just, you know, cry some crocodile tears. But then at the critical moment, stake attached to his hip.

1:54.0

Catch Michael Steele on the weeknight, Monday through Friday at 7 Eastern on MSNBC.

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