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And now for a moment of clarity.

I think that this is a time rather than people choosing sides.

We need to take the side of saying this political violence have to stop.

Whatever we need to do, we need to do that.

Reverend, that part is the part that is the critical piece for me. this political violence have to stop. Whatever we need to do, we need to do that.

Reverend, that part is the part that is the critical piece for me.

And I want to talk to you as a Reverend, not as an activist and all of that, because at the core of the normalization, there is a morality.

And in my sense, that morality has been broken, that sense

of connection to each other, that we see you as human, not as other. How do you explain that

broken peace, that thing that sort of got us through the the 30s when when the

Nazis were sort of trying to march here in New York City and in the country said no in the 50s

as you just laid out in the 60s the killing of civil rights leaders in the countries said no

we're going to lean into that because there's a moral reason to do it, right? Because it goes to the human

dignity that we want to enshrine in our law, right? What's broken now? What, what is that you see

is not connecting? I think what is broken is we're defining morality based on who the mortal is rather than what the

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