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Hidden True Crime

A Missing Grandmother, a Secret Obsession, and a Man Nobody Suspected

Hidden True Crime

Hidden True Crime

True Crime, Documentary, News, Society & Culture, News Commentary

4.62.5K Ratings

🗓️ 6 June 2026

⏱️ 184 minutes

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Summary

A year after the disappearance and murder of 82-year-old Marcia Norman shocked Washington State, Hidden True Crime returns with a major update—and troubling new questions about whether justice will truly be served. In this episode, Lauren Matthias examines newly obtained court documents, witness statements, digital evidence, and jail calls that paint an even darker picture of what investigators allege happened to Marcia at the hands of trusted handyman Jeffrey Zizz. From a disturbing written assault plan and evidence of alleged premeditation to the discovery of Marcia’s body buried beneath a newly constructed shed, the details are chilling. Sponsors: IQ Bar: Get 20% off all IQBAR products, including the Ultimate Sampler Pack, plus free shipping—text HIDDEN to 64000. Message and data rates may apply. Article: Get $50 off your first purchase of $100 or more at Article by visiting https://www.article.com/discount/hidden and the discount will be automatically applied at checkout. About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

It was about a year ago when we covered one of the most horrifying cases we've ever discussed on this channel.

0:09.0

It was the murder of 82-year-old Marcia Norman.

0:14.0

And we are back on this case for several reasons, important reasons.

0:20.0

First off, justice has not been served. for several reasons, important reasons.

0:20.8

First off, justice has not been served.

0:24.6

There is yet to be a trial, and I personally worry,

0:28.6

since the prosecutor on this case has an interesting track record,

0:32.8

including a past history prosecuting

0:36.1

this same alleged killer.

0:39.2

We're going to get into that.

0:41.3

And I think I'm concerned about a possible plea deal in this case

0:46.4

because of what investigators say happened to Marcia,

0:50.8

exactly what happened to Marcia Norman.

0:57.9

Because we have court documents so detailed,

1:04.8

you usually don't see this type of evidence until after a trial. But we have it. And we have been pouring over it all. The docs tell us not just who the alleged killer is and what the alleged killer did to Martian Norman,

1:13.7

but also what he did before he ever met Martian Norman and what he was possibly planning after.

1:21.1

This has been a long episode in the making.

1:24.5

Again, I can't stress this enough. It's an important one with a lot of digging.

1:30.5

And as I always say, stick with me. And I really mean it with this episode. Stick with me.

1:37.0

My name is Lauren Matthias, and this is hidden true crime.

1:59.4

Marsha Norman was a mother, a doting quilt-making grandmother, a dedicated wife, and a beloved member of her community in Tina, Washington. She lived in such a way that no one

2:05.1

would have ever thought her life would end so abruptly and violently. She was the last person

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