This is the Kader Daily Podcast for Friday, May 19th, 2017. I'm Caleb Brown. Now that former

FBI Director Robert Mueller will head an investigation into possible Russian meddling in U.S. elections, the range of what he could

discover is quite high. Julian Sanchez, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute, argues that

the single-minded focus on potential secret explicit collusion between the Trump

campaign and the Russian government largely misses the point.

You write in just security that you think this focus on explicit secret collusion allegedly

between the Trump campaign and the Russia government is probably overwrought.

Yeah the public debate about this, I think, has been dominated by this very narrow and binary

question of whether there was a knowing collusion or some sort of explicit

coordination

specifically related to interference in the election and maybe even more

narrowly than that on

the coordination of uh... the release of information from the hacked

Democratic servers.

And that seems to me like a mistake for a couple reasons. First, I just think it's unlikely that that is going to

to be something that's proven with any kind of absolutely conclusive rock solid

evidence first because it's generally a difficult thing to prove

even if people are colluding that's something that if you don't have a kind

of contemporary news recording and nobody happens to confess, it's difficult

after the fact to conclusively prove what two people were discussing.

But I also think it's probably not something that occurred in the sense that people talk about.

If we look back at that campaign, we see Russia pretty openly sort of rooting for and doing what they could to assist

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