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So, Jenny, do you ever get that thing where you're waking up at three o'clock in the morning,

and your brain won't stop whizzing around?

Honestly, Judith, sometimes I think I might call you.

Then I think no, it's three o'clock in the morning, deal with this yourself, Jenny.

But I think we all do. I think we all have the middle of the night horrors.

Absolutely, I mean, maybe not just the anxieties, but just the racing mind.

Just can't switch it off. Absolutely.

And we can't phone each other at three o'clock in the morning.

That doesn't work, but we can talk it through.

We can talk it through.

And I think that both of us know that therapy, a proper therapy from trained professionals is

the best way of learning coping mechanisms to stop those racing thoughts.

Those patterns, absolutely. I think you do. I think you need to learn what those patterns are

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