You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero Podcast.

Hi, Sam.

Hey, Bob.

How are you doing?

Doing well.

How are you?

I'm doing pretty well. Let me introduce this. I'm Robert Wright, publisher in the Non-Zero Newsletter. This is the Non-Zero podcast. You are Samuel Hammond. Recently changed jobs. Now you are senior economists for the Lincoln Network, an organization dedicated to bridging Silicon Valley. Oh, wait, are you going to, is that wrong? We rebranded to the Foundation for American Innovation because we,

among many reasons, but we were being confused with the Lincoln Project, which is not ideal.

I can see some issues. The Lincoln Network, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not, you're not up to what they

are up to. That's safe to say. You aren't, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not, you're not up to what they are up to.

That's safe to say. You are, I assume this still applies. You are an organization dedicated to

bridging Silicon Valley in the tech world with the DC policymaking process. That's still

true. Indeed. I can see why Lincoln, even for the,

wasn't perfect, leaving aside other things called Lincoln. You don't, you don't think Silicon

Valley when you think of Abraham Lincoln, right? Not necessarily. And we also started as an

events organization and now, now we do much more public policy so it was worth

every brand so we're the f a i now before that you were at the niskanon center which was a home

for lapsed libertarians as i understand it is that fair to say correct yeah and actually um

you know i i first joined niskanon in to work with Will Wilkinson, who I partly became a fanboy of because of Blogging Heads.

Blank Heads TV, the predecessor of the Non Zero podcast. And I just learned from you that you were on, you had amateur standing. You were on, you're on blogging heads.

We had what we called the Apollo Project, which was a reference to the Apollo theater,

among other, among other things Apollo, which was famous for its amateur night.

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