Hey folks, welcome back. This is Andy and this is the Four Crows Almanac.

Today we get to talk to someone that I've

been excited to talk to for a while, Naomi from Means TV. If you're not familiar with Means TV,

it's the world's first worker-owned post-capitalist streaming device. Now you may have seen them

on Instagram or Twitter or even Facebook, but what they're doing is far bigger than

just social media. What they've been able to develop is a viable alternative to our traditional

understanding of what needs to be in place for a media ecosystem to exist. Building on the

conversations we've had so far in this mini series, we talk about what the future

looks like for Means TV and Left Media as a whole.

I think you guys are going to really enjoy this conversation.

And as always, we look forward to hearing your feedback.

Naomi, thanks so much for coming on. Could you please introduce yourself? Yeah, I'm happy to be here.

My name's Naomi Burton. I'm co-founder of Means TV, where the world's first workaround streaming service.

That's awesome. This is like one of those things I feel like you see on the internet, like on the left book or whatever.

Like people are like, oh, we should do this and then no one ever does it. So I think it's really cool that you actually did it. Even before we get into like a lot of

the more interesting stuff, I want to hear a little bit about like what that process was like.

Sure, yeah. It was, I mean, it really started with me being miserable at my job. And at the same time, I was radicalizing in my politics.

So me and my partner, Nick, were living and working in Detroit at the time. I worked for a PR agency

that did social media strategy for big global companies. So my client was General Motors. So I was

basically creating social media strategy for GM, for the CEO, just kind of soul-sucking work as I was realizing that I was a communist. And that goes over really well.

Yeah, it does. They love it. So yeah, and my partner, Nick, was a freelance film producer for General Motors. And so one day we were in the car on the way to a DSA meeting in Detroit. And there were a few of us in the car and we realized Nick made the commercials for GM. Another person in the car made all the apps for GM. And I was doing all the PR to push out all of those

products that they were making. And we were like, holy shit, we're the means of production.

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