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A Little Grime Can Boost Kids’ Health. But What Kind?

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🗓️ 16 February 2026

⏱️ 17 minutes

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Summary

Researchers are homing in on how kids reap long-term health benefits from getting dirty, whether cuddling furry pets or playing with friends.

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0:00.0

Hey, it's Kathleen Davis, and you're listening to Science Friday.

0:07.3

Today on the show is Grime Good for Kids.

0:10.7

We asked you, our listeners, to tell us the grossest thing your kids have done.

0:16.6

Hi, my name is Cheryl.

0:18.4

I'm calling from Bozeman.

0:20.4

My son, I one time caught him out at the barn. He was about three years old. And he was eating fresh llama poop, putting them in like one pellet at a time, like they were raisins. And he had, his mouth was covered with this like green

0:40.4

black goop. Cheryl, thank you so much for selling your kid out for the story. You may have

0:46.3

heard that a little dirt is good for kids. It helps them build up their immune systems and it sets

0:51.1

them on a path to future health. But what type of filth does the trick? Is a little

0:56.1

llama poop good for the gut? Here to answer those pressing questions and dig into the latest

1:01.0

science into the benefits of exposing your kids to the outdoors are my guests. Dr. Jack Gilbert,

1:06.7

microbiologist and professor at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography and in the Department

1:11.4

of Pediatrics in UC San Diego School of Medicine and Dr. Amber Fife Johnson,

1:16.9

Associate Professor and Pediatric Epidemiologist at the Institute for Research and Education

1:21.6

to Advanced Community Health at Washington State University based in Spokane.

1:26.9

Thank you both so much for being here.

1:28.3

My pleasure. It's exciting to be here.

1:30.3

Thank you so much. What a treat.

1:33.3

Okay, before we really jump in, I want to ask you to what are your thoughts on Cheryl's call?

1:38.3

Are you as horrified as I was when I first listened to that?

1:41.3

I'll just start by saying, um, filth, I don't know, man.

1:45.6

We probably shouldn't be exposing the kids to filth,

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