Welcome to part two of our conversation with Jimmy Penanito about the darkest cases.

Was it only playing backwards at that house at that time?

Like if you were to pop that tape into a cassette player today, should you find one,

would it be playing, would it be playing?

Did you have times where it played normal?

I don't even want to check, Tony.

I understand that. I'm just, I'm just asking if at any point in time in the past, did it ever have an occurrence where it did play forward? I probably did, but I don't remember, honestly. And I'm not even going to chance it. No, no. What I'm wondering about it is, and I'm not saying, hey, let's go grab the tape and press play, see what happens.

What I'm wondering about it is, is if the audio itself was, if the tape itself is playing in the correct direction, but if the audio was somehow reversed on it.

And I'm saying this in a way where, you know, some sort of force did this.

Just as an EVP would be picked up sometimes on a cassette tape, not audible to the ears,

but somehow the audio ends up on the tape if whatever it was that was at that house,

took that audio and just reversed it back magnetically onto the tape.

And that's why you're hearing what you were hearing.

That's what I was trying to get to.

Just wondering kind of the, well, what did it do to this tape to make it play that way?

You know, is it literally the tape in reverse or is the audio physically changed?

That's really interesting.

And maybe we can get that. We'll put that on a list of things to do. No, I would like an answer. Even if it's not what I want to hear, I'd rather know the real story. It's a very interesting concept. I mean, it's almost spookier if it wasn't just the tape malfunctioning, but if the tape, the audio itself had been magnetically lifted

off of it and then...

And reversed.

That would be very spooky.

So, obviously, this is something that was darkened at home.

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