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So have you ever heard of a guy named John Urchall?

Have I heard of John Ursell? You bet. John kind of combines a bunch of my interests

Olin I because he was a professional football player and he's now a Ph.D. candidate in math at

MIT.

Yeah, I figured. Plus he's now a PhD candidate in math at MIT. Yeah, I figured.

Plus, he's from Winnipeg and went to school in Buffalo, like two of my favorite places

on this earth.

Wow.

So, yeah, I feel like you almost know more about him than I do.

I'm the one that interviewed him.

I partially know about him because he's become this, this incredible story that ESPN and every sort of like sports outlet likes to report on because he seems like a bit of a unicorn, like the offensive linemen that played pro football, but is also a math genius of some sort.

And in that way, like, I've seen his story pop up everywhere.

Yeah.

So I guess I don't follow the same sports channel stuff that you do.

So he was, he was, he was, he was, I had never heard of him.

And I, and I hadn't, you know, I didn't really know that someone like him existed.

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