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What is up biology nerds this is trip and you're listening to homebrewed Christianity, where since the year of 2008, we've been

bringing you audiological goodness, conversations with scholars across the disciplines, so you

can think, reflect, and brew your own faith.

And today, returning to the podcast is my friend Thomas J. Ord.

And this is a special edition.

Not only was it live and there were six, seven hundred people running on throughout this

live stream, but this one, this one, we talk about Tom becoming an heretic. That's right. He

became a heretic. He got kicked out of the Nazarene Church for his deep solidarity with the queer community

there and advocating for change within his denomination, and we discuss it.

But that's what's about to happen.

So I don't need to say anything else.

I would like to tell you that Tom is one of the kindest, coolest, most loving,

brilliant people I know. And he's going to be a part of theology beer camp this year, October 17th and 19th in Denver, Colorado. And yeah, yeah, if you enjoy the process party, if you enjoy doing some open and relational theology, then who doesn't want to hang out with John Totemino, Ily, Ily, Dillio, Catherine Keller, Gary, Dorian, Brian McClare, Batch, or Greger & Company.

I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

But more than that, if you're coming to beer camp,

because I think there's only like 100 tickets left,

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