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What Next | Daily News and Analysis

A.I. Enshittifies Everything

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Slate Podcasts

News, News Commentary, Daily News

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 26 June 2026

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

Through stealing your job or simply tanking the stock market—whichever comes first—the rise of artificial intelligence (companies) is a very futuristic sounding problem. It may have some very old-fashioned sounding solutions however.


Guest: Cory Doctorow, sci-fi author, journalist, blogger and author of “The Reverse Centaur’s Guide to Life After AI.


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Podcast production by Rob Gunther, Evan Campbell, Madeline Thames-Ducharme and Patrick Fort.


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Transcript

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0:00.0

Just a heads up here at the top of the show, our language gets a little spicy in this episode.

0:08.2

Okay, you've been warned.

0:14.9

All right, girls, listen carefully.

0:18.0

This is the wrapping department.

0:20.6

Miss ma'am.

0:21.2

Now, the candy will pass by on this conveyor belt and continue into the next room where the girls will pack it.

0:27.4

You probably know this classic scene from I Love Lucy.

0:31.7

And if you've never watched it, your parents or your parents' parents did.

0:36.4

Lucy and Ethel are working at a chocolate factory.

0:39.2

They're wrapping pieces of chocolate as they move down the conveyor belt.

0:44.1

But the belt starts going faster and faster.

0:47.6

Lucy and Ethel cannot handle the pace.

0:50.7

They're fumbling, they're eating chocolate.

0:53.2

This whole thing is going totally haywire.

1:01.3

And this losing game from 1952 shows up in Corey Doctoro's new book.

1:08.0

And the human who is working with the machine is almost certainly the bottleneck.

1:18.1

AKA Lucy and Ethel are the problem here. Dr. O is a journalist, a sci-fi author, and he coined the term

1:26.1

in shittification. The idea that goods and services online

1:30.7

degrade over time in the service of profit. Now, Dr. Rose written about AI. In his book,

1:37.8

The Reverse Centaur's Guide to Life After AI. The Human can't work as long or as fast or lift things as heavy or what have you.

1:46.8

And so when you pair the human and the machine, the human gets worked very hard as opposed

1:52.2

to the other way around when you pair the machine with the human and the human's in charge.

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