Early in ministry, Leroy Wagner was a sincere pastor and a discouraged husband.

You can't share the gospel when things are not as they should be in the home.

The more difficult our relationship became, it created more difficulty, of course, in ministry.

This is the Revive Our Hearts podcast for Friday, July 18th, 2014.

Kim Wagner's video crushed my heart. That's what a pastor's wife said after one of the

true woman conferences in 2010. This pastor's wife saw a video that told the story of Kim

Wagner's marriage. Why would the story crush her heart? You'll find out as we hear their

story beginning today. Nancy Lee DeMoss is

talking with Kim and Leroy Wagner. Kim is the author of Fierce Women, The Power of a Soft Warrior.

That resource is part of True Woman books. Revive Our Hearts began this initiative to provide you with books that reflect the

heart of the ministry. We're focusing on interviews with the True Woman authors here in July.

Leroy Wagner begins by explaining how this couple first met. Well, we were both college students,

and I was a preacher boy, a ministerial student, and I noticed Kim, of course.

I mean, who could keep but from noticing her radiant beauty, but the inner beauty, I mean, she just was an incredible person just seeing her from afar.

I could tell that.

And she was in my Greek class.

There were, I think, 32 preacher boys mostly, and there were two young ladies.

And she was one of the young ladies.

And so, of course, she caught my attention.

And I think it was probably a couple of weeks into the semester after

we'd had several classes. I finally got up enough nerve, courage. Got up the nerve. I'm nervous now,

just thinking about it. It was very nerve-wracking because I thought I don't have a shot at this

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