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Omar Bartov is a highly respected historian of the Holocaust.

His many books include The Eastern Front, 1941 to 1945, German troops and the barbarization of warfare.

There's also Hitler's army, soldiers, Nazis, and war in the Third Reich.

Murder in our midst, the Holocaust, industrial killing, and representation.

And mirrors of destruction, war, genocide, and modern identity.

He is the dean's professor of Holocaust and genocide studies at Brown University.

Bartov was born on an Israeli kibbutz.

He grew up in Tel Aviv, served in the Israeli defense forces.

He says his father was a staunch Zionist.

And Bartov's own early life was deeply informed by Zionism as practiced at the time.

But now, Bartov says, Zionism has mutated into a form unrecognizable to him.

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