A hitchhiker's guide to Washington’s new abnormal
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🗓️ 5 June 2023
⏱️ 29 minutes
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Summary
What happens when the “sideshow characters” of national politics are suddenly thrust onto the main stage? And in a post-Donald Trump Washington, where are they now?
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Ben Terris has spent years covering politics via the people on the fringe: operatives who aren’t well known but are key to understanding how Washington works.
When a former reality TV show host became president, suddenly some of those political oddballs were running things. Terris’s book, “The Big Break: The Gamblers, Party Animals, and True Believers Trying to Win in Washington While America Loses Its Mind,” details the stories of people such as Sean McElwee, the pollster-turned-political-gambler who fell out of favor in Democratic circles, and Ian Walters, a longtime conservative communications director who broke with his closest friends after they staunchly backed Trump.
In today’s episode, Terris recounts the characters he met covering the Trump administration and how they’ve changed the face of power in Washington.
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| 0:00.0 | I used a hunting rifle for the first time in my life. |
| 0:06.3 | I took a shot, hit me in the face, ended up in the emergency room. |
| 0:09.6 | Oh my God. |
| 0:10.6 | It was incredibly embarrassing. |
| 0:11.8 | The congressman laughed at me and gave me whiskey even though it was only seven in the |
| 0:14.3 | morning. |
| 0:15.3 | Great times. |
| 0:16.3 | This is Ben Terrace. |
| 0:17.6 | He writes about national politics for the post-style section. |
| 0:21.2 | And over the years, he's gotten himself into some pretty wild situations. |
| 0:27.0 | There was a speech writer for Senator Rob Portman named Brett Talley, who in addition to being |
| 0:31.9 | a speech writer was also a horror novelist in an amateur ghost hunter. |
| 0:36.3 | And so I went ghost hunting with him in a cemetery near Georgetown. |
| 0:40.5 | Ben is known for taking a really unique approach to writing about politics. |
| 0:44.8 | He has spent years covering the people he calls the side show characters. |
| 0:49.7 | Embedding with the Washington insiders who aren't always household names, but are crucial |
| 0:54.2 | to understanding how politics works. |
| 0:57.8 | And then a reality TV star became president. |
| 1:02.2 | One of the things that I found is that if you have an experience covering oddballs, when |
| 1:06.3 | Donald Trump became president, you kind of were an expert in a way that most people in |
| 1:09.9 | Washington were not. |
| 1:11.1 | So when all the weird characters became the most important people in Washington, I actually |
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