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HBR IdeaCast

A High-Performance Coach on the Key to Achieving Your Full Potential

HBR IdeaCast

Harvard Business Review

Leadership, Entrepreneurship, Communication, Marketing, Business, Business/management, Management, Business/marketing, Business/entrepreneurship, Innovation, Hbr, Strategy, Economics, Finance, Teams, Harvard

4.41.9K Ratings

🗓️ 7 November 2023

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

What holds many people back from attaining the success they want - whether it's winning an Olympic medal or a seat in the C-suite - isn’t a lack of effort or talent. It’s the fear of other people’s opinions. That’s according to Michael Gervais, a performance expert and founder of the consultancy Finding Mastery. He works with top athletes and executives around the world to help them overcome FOPO and improve their performance and well-being. Gervais is the author of the book The First Rule of Mastery: Stop Worrying about What People Think of You.

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0:00.0

How do you navigate gender in your workplace?

0:04.0

HBR's fan favorite podcast Women at Work is back with personal stories, the newest research,

0:09.6

and practical advice on navigating divorce, disability, and career failures.

0:14.0

Listen for free to H.B.

0:16.0

Women at Work wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the H-B- Ideacast from Harvard Business Review. I'm Allison Beard. Beethoven mid-career, Carl Malone on the free-throw line in the NBA finals,

0:50.0

an MMA fighter walking into the cage, a CEO considering a big investment, a recent

0:55.8

grad deciding between job offers, you prepping for your next presentation.

1:01.2

What all these people have in common is the potential for masterful performance,

1:05.0

but they're also united by something else, the very real risk that they will be

1:10.2

derailed by what our guest today calls FOPO, fear of other people's opinions.

1:16.1

He says that true success only comes when you stop worrying about factors you can't control

1:20.8

and instead focus on your own values, worth, and goals.

1:24.7

And he's helped many people from extreme athletes to pro footballers to corporate executives

1:29.1

do just that.

1:30.8

Michael Jervais is a performance psychologist and the founder of the consultancy

1:34.2

Finding Mastery. He wrote the new book The First Rule of Mastery. Stop worrying

1:39.0

about what people think of you. Michael, welcome. Thank you so much for including me in your community and

1:45.9

hosting this conversation. Before we dive into FOPO and how to overcome it, I want to

1:51.9

ask about your background as a sports psychologist.

1:55.4

What overlaps do you see between your work

1:58.4

with Olympians, Seattle Seahawks, mountain marathoners,

2:02.6

and the work you do with people in the business world.

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