Hello and welcome to Choose A Five. Today on the show, we have Fernouche Trabi, host the wonderful

podcast, So Money, with nearly 1,600 episodes and tens of millions of downloads. And she's

the author of the new book, which just came out October 3rd called A Healthy State of Panic.

Follow your fears to build wealth, crush your career, and win it life. At first, honestly,

I was a little unsure why a money expert was writing a book on panic and anxiety. But after I started

to read it, I quickly realized how important a book this was, and I absolutely devoured it.

Fernouche reframes fear as a superpower and goes about proving that case in nine powerful chapters

each devoted to a different fear. I think you're going to really enjoy this one. And with that,

welcome to Choose A Five.

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Trevor said, I've been an avid listener since the beginning, and I cannot be more enthusiastic about

Choose A Five. The absolute stars in the show, though, have to originally be the charisma of Brad

and Jonathan, and more lately Brad pulling the show by himself. I've seen a lot of podcasts run

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The last episode, 455 with Nathan Barry, was an absolute masterpiece. At multiple times Brad paused,

reacted to something Nathan said, circled back, and scratched a little deeper, which created one

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