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Hello, welcome. Today's programme ranges widely from a religious commun in Scotland to blackmail and murder in Nazi Germany.

In between there's genteel poverty and old age in the Cromwell Road. communist commune in Scotland to blackmail and murder in Nazi Germany.

In between there's genteel poverty and old age in the Cromwell Road.

My guests are first the singer-songwriter Ricky Ross of Deacon Blue,

whose latest solo album Trouble Came Looking was released in April.

Ricky is also a broadcaster who presents, among other programmes, BBC Radio Scotland's Another Country with Ricky Ross.

And with him is Tom Heap, who presents the investigations on BBC TV's Country File.

You can also hear him on the Radio 4 programme costing the earth, and he regularly reports for panorama on matters concerning food, farming, energy and wildlife.

But apparently Tom, your family is kind of rather astonished, if not slack-jawed, at hearing that you've been invited onto this programme.

Why is that?

Because as a younger man and as a boy, certainly I had a reputation as being pretty allergic to books.

I'd like to say I've changed somewhat since then,

and I do read books now, hence I'm not a total fraud on the show.

However, I still maintain an interest as much, if you like,

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