You are about to listen to a BBC podcast and I'd like to tell you a bit about what goes into making one.

I'm Sadata Sese, an assistant commissioner of podcasts for BBC Sounds.

I pull a lot of levers to support a diverse range of podcasts on all sorts of subjects,

relationships, identity, comedy, even one that mixes poetry, music and inner city life. So one day I'll be

helping host develop their ideas, the next fact-checking, a feature, and the next looking at how

a podcast connects with its audience, and maybe that's you. So if you like this podcast, check out some

others on BBC Sounds.

Hello, one of life's more agreeable quandaries deciding what book to read next.

Let's help you.

My guests and I have each chosen a book we really like.

We've all read one and other's choice and we'll tell you what we think of all three.

Then over to you.

So joining me first, it's the broadcaster and podcaster Nihal Afanaika, erstwhile top radio one presenter, now hosting headliners, a Sunday evening show on

Radio 5 live, where he conducts in-depth interviews with everyone from actors to authors, to athletes,

to musicians. With him is the multiply award-winning British-Turkish-Turk

Aleve Shafak.

Elif's 13 novels include The 40 Rules of Love,

The Island of Missing Trees,

and published just this summer.

There are rivers in the sky.

Nihal, I think, would you start us off?

What have you chosen as a good read?

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