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Hello, I'm Harriet Gilbert.

Thank you for downloading a good read, the podcasts,

where two guests and I recommend books we love and describe why we love them.

We don't always see eye to eye, but I hope you'll find some great reading suggestions here.

Hello, today it's all about love. The love between an old woman and her grandchild, the contorted love of a girl for her mother, and a passion for cinema.

Joining me to introduce their good read are first the poet and host while human rights lawyer

Mona Arshi, of whose two poetry collections the most recent is Dear Big Gods and whose debut

novel, Somebody Loves You, comes out next month. With Mona is the writer, performer and producer Malika

Kogodi. Malika's festival appearances include Womad and the Edinburgh Book Festival and her autobiographical gig theatre show

Outlier performed with prog rock band Jakobol, premiered at the Bristol Old Vic this summer.

Mona Arshi, would you lead off with your choice of a good read? What is it?

It's a summer book by Tuva Janssen, which I think it simply is a book with a soul. It's a really quiet book in some ways. It's about a relationship between a young girl called Sophia and the grandmother who's never named. And it all takes place in an island

or Finland. But that doesn't really matter. What matters is this elemental relationship between

this pair. And what I love about the book so much is the fact that actually this is a relationship

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